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Welcome to Sputnik, orbiting the world

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with me, George Galloway, and me,

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Gayatri. There was no al-Qaeda in Iraq

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before George Bush and Tony Blair sent

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hundreds of thousands of Western

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soldiers illegally to invade and occupy

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it. There is now thousands of them, and

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they're sweeping all before them. ISIS,

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the Islamic State of Iraq and Syria, was

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actually recently expelled by the

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al-Qaeda chief Iman al- Zawahi for

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being, and I quote, too sectarian, too

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extreme, unquote. I've seen no reason to

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disbelieve him. In the last few days,

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many of Iraq's most important cities and

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historic regions like Ninoa have fallen

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to ISIS with scarsely a shot being

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fired. In Mosul and Trit, 35,000 Iraqi

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army soldiers threw down their weapons

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and ran away in the face of 800 ISIS

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fighters. Iraq's prime minister seems

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certain to fall. The Iraqi state in real

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danger of collapse. That would be the

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crowning achievement, no doubt, of the

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Bush and Blair war. Joining us now to

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discuss what's happening in the land

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where he was born is Londonbased Sabah

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Mktar of the Arab Lawyers Network in

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Britain. Dr. Sabah, thank you for uh

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joining us. I know you don't accept my

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characterization of the forces that are

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sweeping all before them. We'll come to

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that, I promise you. But describe, if

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you would, the military situation now.

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Either these are the best 800 fighters

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in the world ever or something big is

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really happening. I don't think they are

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the best in the world. However, they are

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professional leaders of the previous

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Iraqi army. They are the generals of the

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army leading forces, local forces. They

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are the people of Musul. They are the

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people of the towns and cities that have

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fallen in their hands. They are not the

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ISIS. They are not the Q-a. It's amazing

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that three minutes after the entrance

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into Musul, before anybody knew

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anything, immediately Washington said it

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was ISIS, it was Kyla and it was the

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dash. This is the idea that how you

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manipulate the news. I think it is wrong

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because this is literally a revolution

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of the people led by ex-military

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officers. And to show you the result of

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that one is if you take Fallujah.

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Fallujah for a whole month Maliki with

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all his forces including the air force

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could not take back Feluja which is a

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small town because of the military

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capability. This is on the one side. On

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the other side Maliki does not have an

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army. He has mishmash

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people who came together because they

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want to live because they are sectarian

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in their approaches. the people who have

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taken over now Musul and they are moving

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downwards. They are now on the entrance

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northern entrance of Samara. So they've

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taken all the towns from Musul down the

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Tigris all the way to Samara. All these

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areas it is not a fight between Maliki's

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army and dash or ISIS or KQA or any of

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these things. It may be a convenient way

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of saying it because this is the Bush

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doctrine. You accuse your enemy of being

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the devil, the evil, and then your your

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case is made. The situation in Iraq is

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really this is a continuation of the

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uprising which took place in the in the

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west. Now the western forces are moving

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toward Baghdad. Yesterday Baghdad

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airport was bombed. So they are as close

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as that. From the north they are moving

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down. Maliki now is pleading with the

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Americans to to come and intervene. I

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don't think they will. I don't think the

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uh Britain will intervene. I don't think

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the Iranians can intervene because of

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the various implications. The Kurds

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going to interfere. Nafi, both the the

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speaker of the parliament and his

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brother who was the governor of Musul

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pleaded for a whole day with Mas

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Barazani to send his troops into this

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and he's not moving. Well, I I'm not

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normally accused of being a proponent of

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the Bush uh doctrine. uh and I'm not uh

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and if it's a revolution of the people

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as you describe it uh then it's a

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revolution of the Sunni Muslim people.

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There are no Shiites in the army that is

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advancing and taking uh these uh cities.

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least in the Arab part, are Shiites. So

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what's this then? A recipe for civil

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war. Are the Shiites going to fight the

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Sunnis? The Maliki is trying now to get

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the south to support him on the basis

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that they are Shiats and you better come

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with me because the Sunnis are going to

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do that. They are not buying it in the

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south. Certainly all the people in the

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west and the north who are moving toward

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Baghdad and the other cities have

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absolutely no sectarian and you know

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that it doesn't matter what anybody

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think of the previous regimes from the

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monarchy time when the British left Iraq

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in the 20s until 2003. It's sectarianism

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has never been institutionalized. It's

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never been practiced or used by any of

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the regimes, whether the monarchy, first

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republic, second republic, or the bath.

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No, I agree with that. But but ISIS, and

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by the way, it's not me saying that

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they're capturing these cities. And

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neither is it Obama or Cameron that's

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saying it. It's ISIS that are saying it

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on their website. They're showing the

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videos. They say, "This is our army." Of

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course, they're definitely sectarian

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because in Syria, where they also lay

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territorial claim, they are on a

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sectarian basis murdering large numbers

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of people. There's no doubt in my mind

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that ISIS and Q-Qaeda and the others are

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all terrorist organizations. It doesn't

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matter whether they are supported by

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Saudi Arabia or by Iran or America. It

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does not matter. Those are happens in

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terrorist organizations. They have a

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sectarian motive. How you present the

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thing you I've seen it in Cairo on on

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6th October bridge during the revolution

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of CC. You saw three cars with a black

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flag on Laah on it and saying and the

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media was saying look we told you Kaida

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is coming to Cairo. This is you can have

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one camera taking one picture at one

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time in one area and you say fine. And

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have you ever heard a terrorist

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organization who do not claim the

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credit? So of course you get all these

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mutilated pictures. This uh this army

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that ran away uh indeed you you've

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informed me many of them didn't even

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engage. They took off their uniforms,

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got into civilian clothes before uh

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their enemy even arrived. The American

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taxpayer spent scores of billions of

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dollars so-called training them. Was

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that all just a pmpkin village? Is there

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nothing behind it? Certainly the a lot

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of the billions which has been it was

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stolen by their own people by the

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American soldiers and they they bought

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people with it. They gave it to thieves.

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neighborhood watch and all the rest of

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it when they bought the the tribal

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readers. They used to give them a lot of

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money and those people they just take

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the money and build buildings in in

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Dubai and Aman and London and everywhere

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else. The Americans have participated.

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office, the American federal office, and

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it shows you how much money was stolen

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have talked to some of the auditing

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firms who have done. So this money

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although they say they've spent this

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money on Iraq this money was not spent

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on Iraq. Western policies is always we

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talk about the billions and millions we

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give to Africa and I don't know what but

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in reality all the money it goes to the

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white hall and to the office and to the

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contractors and what is left the the

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little pittance gets to the African or

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the Arabs. for those people when they

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spend the money on the training, they

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didn't do any of that. So, it's a paper

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tiger. It's paper thin. Uh presumably,

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therefore, the road is open for whoever

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these people that are on the march are

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to march all the way to Baghdad. Is that

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their intention? Yes, absolutely. This

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is the intention. and they they would go

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to about that and they are hoping that

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some of the uprising in the south will

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now they are not even working on sector

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they are really fed up of the killing

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they the Shiats in the south are

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suffering from Maliki just as much as

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the people who are Sunnis but it's it's

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it's what you talk about I could declare

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myself the imam of the Muslims in London

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and to hell with anybody who doesn't

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believe me that doesn't make me the imam

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of London so you can have somebody

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saying you know we have Ji saying he's

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talking on behalf of the Sunnis in Iraq

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and none of the Sunnis recognize the

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guy. In Iraq, the division is this.

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all its facets including the so-called

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political process or you want your

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country back between the patriots and

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both camps has Shiats, both camps have

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In this revolution that you describe,

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what is the fate of Christians and other

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minorities in Iraq going to be like? The

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first step that has been taken by the

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units which took uh Musul because Musul

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is one of the centers of Christianity in

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Iraq. The first step they've taken is to

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protect all the Christian churches,

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protected all the minorities. All the

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areas where you have a very high

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concentration of Christians, they have

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put people to protect the area. Now, of

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course, in in such a situation, you're

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likely to have all sorts of criminals

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and and and and and other thugs and and

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terrorists. Everybody's going to be in

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and everybody can produce a you know, I

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could I'm sure anybody can have a camera

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and make me hold the flag. It's it's

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very easy. A black flag with three five

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words in Arabic on it in white and that

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makes me I could do that in London. I

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I'll be arrested, but that's a different

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issue.

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Well, the uh the picture you paint is

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obviously different to that which is

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being portrayed in the media. And you

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may be right. You've been right many

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many times uh about Iraq. But protecting

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Christians in Mosul uh would not be uh

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would not square with the wholesale uh

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minority activities of ISIS in Syria. Uh

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I think you can see the ISIS and

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al-Qaeda types are undoubtedly involved

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in this mix.

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uh what's going to stop them hunting

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down heretics or caffers uh in Iraq in

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the way that they've done in Syria?

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is different from Syria. In Syria, you

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have a situation where the government

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there is still a a full blast government

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which is using the the power and the

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authorities.

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In Iraq, you have a a nogo government

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situation. Yeah. So now the one who are

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protecting the minorities trying to give

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at least to market themselves they have

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to make the protection and that's why

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they have explicitly gone for that. Now

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they are they are working I understand

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that they are working very hard on

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trying to release the Turkish council

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and his group because they want to show

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themselves that's the the those people

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who are whatever you want to call them.

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ISIS. I don't mind the names, but I'm

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telling you they are the military

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council of Musul and they are the

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military there are 18 military councils

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in Iraq. They are the people of that of

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that area led by generals of the

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previous army. They are not sectarian.

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in religion. They actually want to

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protect the people. They want to show

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themselves to be better than Maliki. And

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as you know, Iraq was a secular state

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all of its life until the Americans came

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to Iraq, turned it into a theocratic. We

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have now more turbaned men in in in

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parliament and more covered women in

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parliament than anywhere than even in

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Iran. So this is it doesn't matter what

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we can accuse them. It's the Americans

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have adopted this line. You know,

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everything that has gone bad, it's the

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Iraqis have done it. The Americans

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haven't done anything wrong. Madlin

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Orbright said she thought quarter of a

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million dead babies is a price worth

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paying to get rid of Saddam Hussein. As

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if Saddam Hussein to her was something

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important. Now he is dictator. Okay,

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fine. But he's an Iraqi. He has more

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right there than Bush and Albright and

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including the rest of the Western powers

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in Europe, in the UK and other

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countries. Fascinating. Thanks very much

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indeed, Sabah Mktar, for that. After the

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horse. Or is it a Trojan hoax? We'll be

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Welcome back to Sputnik. It is no less

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than an outbreak of McCarthyism in

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Britain based on a forged document. A

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hoax called Trojan horse has sparked an

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unprecedented wave, a witch hunt against

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an ethnic minority, Britain's two

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million Muslims. Sure, there are a few

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white Muslims in Britain, but mainly

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their faces say their name is Abdul or

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Fatima. This racism doesn't come from

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the far right or paramilitary thugs, but

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from the state and its mass media,

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Pavlovian dogs. Britain's Muslims today

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are watching with mounting fear and

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alarm as one by one high achieving

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co-religionist are being dragged out,

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pillaried and sacked. The Trojan horse

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hoax deals with schools mainly in

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Birmingham but spreading first to

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Bradford then East London which are

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overwhelmingly successful schools.

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Schools which have transformed

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themselves from sink schools to the top

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of the league. schools where girls are

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doing better than boys, where most of

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the prefects are girls and ought to be

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given a medal by the state. Indeed, they

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were in just 11 months ago being

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described by the government inspectorate

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as outstanding. But we're invited now to

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believe that in just months a Taliban

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type offensive has swept all before it.

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So much so that all of the major

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participants in this drama, those being

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named and shamed in the newspapers and

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on television, are now afraid,

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intimidated to come on television to

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discuss it. After all, it could cost you

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your job. So, we're going to do it

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ourselves. Indeed, I believe that you

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are personally involved in it. But

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before we get into that uh part, please

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explain us what is this Trojan horse

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document all about and how did it all

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start? It's a document that is widely

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accepted now as having been a forgery, a

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hoax, a kind of protocols of the elders

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of Zion type hoax uh with no signature

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on it found in a briefcase in a locker

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and sent to a very large number of

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people. This sparked the investigation

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as they would call it the witch hunt. uh

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as I would call it. It's now widely

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accepted that it's a hoax, that it's a

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forgery, but the investigations went on

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anyway. And schools which just 11 months

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ago had been declared to be outstanding

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are now being denounced as a kind of

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hotbed of incipient Islamic extremism.

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Though there's no evidence at all beyond

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the fact that on school trips, for

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example, girls and boys traveled on

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separate buses. Uh that uh at school

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picnics, girls and boys sat at separate

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uh picnic tables. Uh this is the kind of

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nonsense that has been elevated

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hysterically to a subject that is now

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dominating the British news agenda every

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single day uh for a week. Uh so the

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Trojan horse was found to be empty.

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Yeah. But in the classic witch hunting

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style, the witchinder generals have gone

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on looking and governors are being

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sacked. Schools are having their funding

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withdrawn. Schools that were outstanding

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11 months ago are now being bankrupted

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uh by the government and its uh official

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inspectorate which is now openly acting

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under political direction for the first

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time ever in the history of this

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country. This witch hunt uh after

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Muslims happens after of course the win

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of win of UKIP during the uh local and

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European elections uh and the defeat of

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the established parties. Is this a is a

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convenient coincidence? I I believe it's

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a direct dog whistle response by the

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government to the rise of the UKIP

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electoral bubble. They are saying to the

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potential UKIP electorate, we are the

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party that's tough on immigrants. We are

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the party that's tough on Muslims.

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Although there are a few white Muslims

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in Britain, the vast majority of them

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have brown and black faces. So when

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people are looking around them

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themselves in the street for uh some

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kind of dangerous man or woman for that

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matter, they know what to look for. Uh

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they even look at people who are not

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Muslims but are seeks and are frequently

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thought to be uh Muslims. So there's a

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very grave sense of unease amongst

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Muslims like the ones uh I represent in

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parliament, tens of thousands of them,

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that they're somehow being targeted.

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They're being attacked. And for what?

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Because they prefer their girls to sit

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at a separate uh uh picnic table. Let me

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tell you, this is a recipe for Yeah. I

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sent my own daughter to a girl's school

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because I didn't want her distracted by

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talking to boys. This would now qualify

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me as a as an al-Qaeda commander. Uh and

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generations of u high achieving

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middleclass parents, white parents,

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non-Muslim parents have sent their girls

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to these girls schools precisely because

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you're in school to learn. And the girls

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and boys in these schools were learning

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in an unprecedentedly successful way.

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One of them for example Parkside in uh

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Birmingham uh was one of the highest

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achieving schools in the entire country.

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This from just a few years ago being a

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sink school that everybody had ignored

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and forgotten. You mentioned Birmingham

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and you mentioned Bradford and also East

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London in your introduction. These are

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all three areas which you and the

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respect party represented. Is that a

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coincidence? Uh well a point made in the

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London Times uh this very morning. Now

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the the times used to be the Journal of

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Record. It's kind of fallen on hard

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times now. It's the sort of far coat of

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the Murdoch Empire part of the Fox News

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Sun newspaper uh empire. But in an

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editorial uh this very morning, a whole

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editorial dedicated to me in which it

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explains that actually the three places

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where these problems are manifesting

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themselves have one thing in common.

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I've represented all of them uh in

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parliament uh or tried to. Now the uh

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reality is these are three areas where

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there are large numbers of immigrants,

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large numbers of Muslims. That's the

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common denominator, not the fact that a

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lot of them have in the past voted uh

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for me. Michael Gove has announced that

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all schools henceforth will have to

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teach British values. Now, I've asked in

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parliament, what are the values that are

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specifically British that are going to

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have to be taught by teachers? Is it the

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values that have destroyed Iraq? The

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values that are supporting al-Qaeda in

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Syria? The values that supported the

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terrorist uprising in Kiev in the

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Ukraine? Is it the values of an empire

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on which the sun never set because God

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would never trust the British in the

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dark? What values are specifically

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British that are going to have to be

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taught? They say that one of them is

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tolerance, but of course it's emerging

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out of a swamp of intolerance of people

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who dress differently, eat differently

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and pray differently to the majority uh

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in this country. So it's a very very

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serious uh development and it's one

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which will lead as all these kind of

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bruhahas do to blood because before long

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yes mosques will be attacked Muslims

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will be attacked and the mindset of the

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attackers will be these people are

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taking over our schools these people are

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trying to talibanize our uh our cities

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and it's all based on a hoax on a

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forgery which is a very very serious

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turn of events but there's a big

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critical uprising against it too right

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well I hope so I'm waiting uh for it the

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Muslim population has gone to ground no

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leader of the Muslim community uh can be

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found to come out fighting uh on this uh

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I'm doing my best in parliament uh and

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with others uh in Birmingham One of my

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former colleagues, Salma Yakub, has set

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up a hands-off Birmingham schools

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movement and she's doing a terrific job

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on on that. Uh we're organizing a series

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of public meetings in East London, in

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Birmingham, and of course in my own

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constituency in Bradford. We're trying

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to answer this. The problem in Britain

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is unachieving schools, underachieving

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schools. The fact that not enough money

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is being spent on the teachers and the

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equipment and the buildings to make our

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schools fit for the 21st century. And

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actually to eviscerate

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schools which are actually doing well

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shows the kind of priorities that the

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British government uh has. It's all over

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social media, of course. What's been

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rattling on ours on this? Well, yes. Um,

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we asked uh the people what turned out

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to be inside this Trojan horse. To which

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Fred do said, nothing but Tory intent to

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create fear, foster suspicion, and keep

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us divided. And Shirona answers,

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anti-UKIP repellent. Ah, anti-UKIP

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repellent. That's a very good and

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concise way of saying what I tried to

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say. Just if I may continue to um

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comment on the Iraq u developments

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because we asked whether the fall of

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Mosul to al-Qaeda uh affiliates make

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prosecution of Blair imperative to which

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Roger the Dodger answers the puppet

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masters of this orchestra are the

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Saudis, the CIA being the conductors and

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ISIS are just the hired guns. And our

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own beloved William Hake answers, "Now

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that we negotiate with terrorists, I'm

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going to suggest we swap Blair for some

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oil." Well, this is of course the great

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irony. The people who say they're most

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concerned about Islamism are the people

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who have fantastically inflated the

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problem of Islamist extremism. They are

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the people who invaded and destroyed

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Iraq. They are the people who invaded

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and destroyed Afghanistan. They are the

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people who backed the fanatics in Syria,

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who have destroyed Syria, and they have

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the nerve to accuse those of us who

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opposed them on all of these three

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issues of somehow being a font of

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Islamist extremism. Well, unfortunately,

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that's all we've got time for. Do please

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keep in touch with us on Twitter at

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RT_Sputnik and on Facebook you can like

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us on Sputnik on Russia Today. It's

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goodbye from me, Gatri, and from me,

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George Galloway. It's been marvelous.

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